Should The Americans pull out of Iraq?

[Zaku]

http://www.barackobama.com/main.php
U.S. Senator Barack Obama.

I still can't really understand you. Are you saying advancing enemy troops should have their hands in the air and be checked? Because all "enemy troops" in Iraq are dead and captured.
The insurgents don't really want to be checked.
The civilians shouldn't have to all go through that crap, if someone occupied America would you want to walk around with your hands in the air all the time, just to save some of their troops' lives?

[Gil Galad]

No, I would not. But, its a price we're paying, and what i hear is that maost of them are thankful for what americas done for them, so they may be willing to cooperate, also i said all advancing "units" people, civilians or insurgents, because we cant tell the difference, and if someone was occupying America then i would want all of the people checked, and since i said advancing most of them would most likely not advance, unless they were insurgents, or just really grateful, and then if they are tired of being checked then they will just have to avoid us unless under controlled circumstances

[Zaku]

what i hear is that maost of them are thankful for what americas done for them

Can you give an article supporting that, because I'm honestly not sure about that.

Also, you say if your country was occupied, you would want everyone checked by the occupying forced. That's fine if you want to be checked, but if people today feel harrassed by airport security, I doubt most of the country would submit to regular checks without some resistance.

Finally "if they are tired of being checked then they will just have to avoid us".
They can't just "avoid us". We occupy their country. It's our troops' jobs to make it so they can't avoid us.

[Gil Galad]

Okay, i know im not your favorite person, but, you know very well what i mean, i meant that they will have to avoid us by avoiding contact, not "not looking at us or something ridiculous as that, as for the article, if you watched the news you would have seen the thankful people, and regular checks are necessary, i would understand if i needed a regular check, inconvinient ,yes, but necessary. Were not over there to make them happy, we are trying to rebuild there country, which will make the innocent ones happy, we are trying to give them a stable governmental system

[numenorian]

I don't basically think that the us goverment is trying to stabilize politically they re simply tryinh to remove those that oppose them and put people that they will control in order to take control over Iraq's oilsupplies.Guys this can't be true they are not helping the innocent they re helping themselves.

[Zaku]

if you watched the news you would have seen the thankful people

When I watch the news I just hear about escalating violence and impending civil war.
Only time I saw the people thankful was when we first invaded, and that was just because we got rid of Saddam. After that it was like "Okay, so, why are you still here?"

[numenorian]

Why are the Americans still there then as you all say?Have you ever seen in history the powerful ones help the weak i don't think so this is not hollywood man that American's are saving the world but real life and the Americans rule the world with fear and propaganda as every nation would do the same(i say that because many of you might think that iam a racist against American's well i am not because i believe anyone who has power on his hands can do many things to retain that power and as i like to say mankind is capable for the best and the worst)

[Gil Galad]

I agree, partially, i dont think we are trying to rule the world, but power does corrupt, and its vey hard not to misuse that power, also the people are still wondering why we are there, and i kind of am, but we have a job to do over there and some of those people over there sre thankful and as bush said they are not pulling out until Iraq can stand on there own

[LOTRfan1414]

They better do something soon, thats all i know. We cannot keep things the way they are.

[Zaku]

They better do something soon, thats all i know. We cannot keep things the way they are.

QFT. That's the one common truth I think we should all at least be able to agree on.

[Beren One-Hand]

So Bush has ordered 20,000 more troops for the war in Iraq.  Either he is determined to win this thing, or he is stupid and stuborn, sacrificing more American lives for this cause.  Will this make much of a differance?  Maybe, only time will tell.  All I can say is he better wipe out the resistance or he should be impeached.

numenorian:  you mentioned that you are not American, where are you from then?  In case you did not know, I am Canadian.

[numenorian]

Oh im greek:P

[Zaku]

Well, it's clear now. Bush has literally no skill as commander in chief. He's going to get plenty of people killed on all sides of this conflict.

I mean, to be honest, he makes me sick with how incompetent he is.

[Andúnië]

What was the point of sending extra troops? What did Bush think he was going to accomplish? It's already pretty clear that however many American troops are in Iraq, the situation is not going to change.

[Beren One-Hand]

numenorian:: Greek - that's cool.  I love Greek food and culture.  Maybe we could hypnotize or bribe Bush with some Greek souvlaki.   ;D