"Terorrism"=threat

[numenorian]

Writing this post i know that some ppl(or most) might not agree i say before i wright this post that i respect everyone's opinion.Ok let me start since the 11th september everyone on this planet(specially the western countries mostly europe and the USA) is afraid of the uknown terrorists that hit us because they re evil and i am asking do u really believe that the supposed terrorists threat us or maybe we re the terrorists?What i do believe as i have said many times i don't think that here is anyone so fool to believe that we re walking to the middle east with the sign of the cross trying to save the people there,what i do believe is that we re just outside the gates of facism because think  we re afraid we ask for cameras out on the streets,the controls at the aeroplanes etc what i say is that the goverments of the civilized 'west' use fear in order to make us puppets and  make us don't think anything more than money in order to rule the way they want and i bet that those of you that u are from America have noticed that ppl do everything to make money and think only about dollars.Sth to sum up i hope u know that the terrorist Osama Bin Laden as it is known if u recall it is him that fought side by side with the US goverment against the Russians and of course we must not forget that mr Osama has many stocks in american companies and i bet that he is somewhere in America right now continuing his life with the protection and the cover of the US goverment.

[Wolfchild]

Could you not use punctuation?

[Scroll]

First, I must agree with Wolf.

Second, I think we are fighting for our freedom to dress, do, talk, and pray the way we want. Osamad(sp), Saddam(sp), and all the others like them doesn't like the way we dress, talk, and pray and wants to change us. That is why they do what they do to stop us and we do what we do to stop them from stopping us.

We are fighting for freedom and they are fighting us cause they want everyone to be like them, to rule us.

I hope I explained it right in way you all can understand.

[numenorian]

And we re fighting them to become just like us i guess then......

[Scroll]

I guess you got me there on that one. But have you forgot why we went to get Saddam? He commited terrible things to his people over so many years.

But the way they come at us is wrong. You don't see us highjacking nplanes and ramming them into buildings and killing thousands of innocent people. You don't see us doinfd suicide bombings.

[numenorian]

You don't see that these ppl Sadam Bush etc do all these things for their own ambitions and having more and more.In addition most of the m.east people are suffering for much more years from us than we suffer from them.Secondly the 2 towers were fallen definetely from the us goverment and you know why?Because producting so many weapons,your industry must go on and an easy way to do it is blamin invisible enemies.Of course another major thing was the oil.Just thing if the western countries wanted to help why don't they start helping those that they re in their region?

[LOTRfan1414]

First of all, Bush is not a terrorist, as he did not attack anyone just to advocate terrorism. And know he did not let the twin towers fall.  ( i think somebody has been watching "Loose Change". Just to tell you if you got any of your "The government planned the attack on the twin towers for oil" talk from that movie, that is a piece of leftist propaganda bull. Their is no proof)

 I disagree when you say they suffer more because of us, than we do of them, because we're not doing anything to them. We are not killing the Afgani and Iraqi citizens, Al-quida and the insurgents are killing their own people. And Don't say im a Bush sympothizer (sp?) or anything like that, I think he has been our worst president so far. i know the only reason we went into Iraq was for their oil, but I did think it was a good thing that Saddam is not in power anymore.       

[numenorian]

With war though you can't restore peace and with war when you re up in the sky and bomb the countries many victims are innocent people too.Secondly stop saying these things about leftish propaganda.I believe that our goverments have placed close limits on what we re thinking,for example if you say sth against the goverment u re leftish and crap like that dont believe these because if the russians had won the cold war you would say about the capitalistic propaganda.Because from capitalism to coomuunism if u see these ideas in theory they re both good but i doudt if they ever worked as they should be.(exept from Lenin in russia and Kennedy in USA and mayby earlier years of the USA)The thing is that i would rather the world had a country opposing to the USA because when u having opposing interests noone can do anything he wants.Oh btw do you think that Bush rules USA or CIA and the military companies?

[LOTRfan1414]

Ithink Bush is control  of most military companies and Cia, but what does that have to do with what we're talking about?

And also, When I say leftist, I mean more of extreme liberal democrates who hate Bush, not really communists.

Yes, and Bush is not causing terror just for the sake of causing terror, so he is not a terrorist like you stated earlier in your arguements

[numenorian]

 My main pont still remains that they sell a terrorism propaganda in order to leave the people be afraid.By the way im from Greece if you come here you will hear much more negative statements.Here it is thought that facism(a new form of facism more correctly) is ruling the USA.And think democracy says that every man has the right to say what he believes and im asking how many ppl were dissapeared by CIA just because of their beliefs after11/9?In addition terrorism as far as i know is not bombing countries.For example if some American guys made a terrorist attack in Paris would you like the french goverment come to America and start bombing all over the place?I guess not...
Learn to think not to be manipulated.....

[LOTRfan1414]

im thinking just fine, thank you. I see the lies by our government. But you have to think and not be manipulated your government, and the enemies of Bush. So they're saying that terrorism is not real? Are you telling me that all the terror caused by these radical muslims is just a big conspiracy? I know its hard to believe, but i am one of the many  people who are not satisfied with president Bush and the government right now, and we are speaking out, but are we as you say, "disappeared by the CIA?" No we're not. Things are not as bad here as the outside world thinks. The democrats have won back the house and senate, and I expect by 2008 a lot of good things are going to be happening.
And to answer your scenerio, it makes no sense. Was the American man sent by the US government? If he was, it would be perfectly acceptable for them to declare war on us, and bomb our country.   

[numenorian]

Ok i don't think that you ever understand what im sayin if the goverment change the things will go on the same way because it is America's policy to do such 'crimes' as i like to say.Remember the previous presidents and tell me.Klinton he bombed Yugoslavia and accused Milosevic as enemy.He left all the nuclear waste there and don't let me mention about other president's like father bush,Nixon.In addition i ll tell you another thing why i believe USA sucks as a country(no the simple people like u and others) because the only ambitions their is getting money.2)most of the people will do anything to the name of money,they will sell drugs for example(btw USA is 1 of the 1st countries where drugs re being sold).In addition you must learn some things that their is bowdlerization on newspapers on TV channels so many opinions that you hear from me and generally from ppl from other countries will differ to urs.But i must admit that u re one of the least Americans that actually thinks and he is not brainwashed well done lad.

[LOTRfan1414]

What do people in other countries not commit crimes in the name for money? Most of the people I know will not do "anything for money" as you said. Most of us Americans are not superficial, and do not only care about money. We have the same morals and ethics as your country.

And it really offends me how you think USA sucks as a country. Your profile says you you live in Greece, and if I remember right, if it was not for the USA, you would still be under Nazi control right now. Why do you forget that? I agree this is a dark time in US history, but not the darkest. I believe that in my country runs in cycles, up and down, depending onthe generations and morals. I predict in the next twenty years as better political leaders come (Such as the democratic nominee for the president Obama), and the younger generation remembers the past mistakes of the past governments, such as GEorge bush, our country will begin to climb back up and we will begin to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Thats why I love America, the people have the ability to change our country.

[numenorian]

Let me tell you that Americans really supported facism and thats why Greeks really hated them you don't know the backround really good.When the facists here were not so useful to the Americans they restored in some way peace.But it was them that brought us facism.

[Andúnië]

Let me tell you that Americans really supported facism and thats why Greeks really hated them you don't know the backround really good.When the facists here were not so useful to the Americans they restored in some way peace.But it was them that brought us facism.

Americans support fascism?

One should never classify a nation like that. We don't say (insert country here) are terrorists, or any other generalized and inaccurate statements. Countries are not what their governments may choose to. Governments can make mistakes or bad decisions, but the people may not necessarily agree. Terrorists are not countries, they are individuals with radical beliefs.