Tony Blair resigns: what are your thoughts?

[Beren One-Hand]

What are your thoughts on the resignation of Britain's Prime Minister, Tony Blair? 

I've read a number of reports stating that the war in Iraq will dominate his legacy.  However, one cannot forget some of the good things he's done - i.e. an end to three decades of violence in Northern Ireland.  Personally, I think he's an admirable and respectable man, and will be missed by many in the UK, and even elsewhere in the world.  As a world leader, I always liked him more than Bush.  Blair had more style and was more polished and articulate.  Britain being a close ally of Canada, and the fact that my mother is British, makes something like this a big event.  I'm interested to hear from the MET Brits - i.e. Wolfchild and Camlost, and their thoughts to this news.   

[Wolfchild]

Well, I have to say there was a time when I disliked Blair for his part on the war on Iraq. In fact, I dislkied him greatly from the war onwards. However, I think he has still been a decent leader for our country, and as a man such as he is, he was a respectable bloke with a good sense of pride for Britain and the population. I definately prefer him to Bush, who I think treated our Prime Minister with a certain impolite disrespect, or at least that is what I gather from meetings between them broadcast on the news. I respect the Prime Minister now for his decision to stand down after a decade in Number 10, but remain uncertain about the likely chap to take his place- Gordon Brown, though I shall reserve judgement about him until June has been and gone, and then we find out who is actually taking the position. So, after all this time, credit is due to the spokesman of Britiain, and I wish him a happy retirement.

[Beren One-Hand]

I hear what you're saying.  That's a good way to look at it, because I think if anyone is to analyze someone's legacy, they have to look at the whole picture, not just one aspect.

[HeruMorna]

I always thought Tony Blair was a bit too fake in his statements and there was this plastic finickyness about him. Ah well, if he didn't suck Bush's proverbial c*ck so much, I'm sure he would have made a far more effective world-leader. He barely ever stuck to a cause otherwise.

[Andúnië]

I don't think Blair has actually, specifically done anything wrong. People would have approved of him more if he hadn't supported Bush on the Iraq issue, but he hasn't followed Bush on any unwise decisions since.

[HeruMorna]

Bush atleast had faulty intelligence [if you believe that tripe] behind going after Saddam. What can Blair blame his decision on?

10 April 2002, House of Commons
"Saddam Hussein's regime is despicable, he is developing weapons of mass destruction, and we cannot leave him doing so unchecked.
"He is a threat to his own people and to the region and, if allowed to develop these weapons, a threat to us also."

24 September 2002, House of Commons
"It [the intelligence service] concludes that Iraq has chemical and biological weapons, that Saddam has continued to produce them, that he has existing and active military plans for the use of chemical and biological weapons, which could be activated within 45 minutes, including against his own Shia population; and that he is actively trying to acquire nuclear weapons capability..."

25 February 2003, House of Commons
"The intelligence is clear: (Saddam) continues to believe his WMD programme is essential both for internal repression and for external aggression.
"The biological agents we believe Iraq can produce include anthrax, botulinum, toxin, aflatoxin and ricin. All eventually result in excruciatingly painful death."

11 March 2003, MTV debate
"If we don't act now, then we will go back to what has happened before and then of course the whole thing begins again and he carries on developing these weapons and these are dangerous weapons, particularly if they fall into the hands of terrorists who we know want to use these weapons if they can get them."

18 March 2003, House of Commons
"We are asked now seriously to accept that in the last few years-contrary to all history, contrary to all intelligence-Saddam decided unilaterally to destroy those weapons. I say that such a claim is palpably absurd."

4 June 2003, House of Commons
"There are literally thousands of sites. As I was told in Iraq, information is coming in the entire time, but it is only now that the Iraq survey group has been put together that a dedicated team of people, which includes former UN inspectors, scientists and experts, will be able to go in and do the job properly.
"As I have said throughout, I have no doubt that they will find the clearest possible evidence of Saddam's weapons of mass destruction."

8 July 2003, Evidence to Commons liaison committee
"I don't concede it at all that the intelligence at the time was wrong.
"I have absolutely no doubt at all that we will find evidence of weapons of mass destruction programmes."

16 December 2003, Interview with British Forces Broadcasting Service
"The Iraq Survey Group has already found massive evidence of a huge system of clandestine laboratories, workings by scientists, plans to develop long range ballistic missiles."

16 December 2003, Interview with BBC Arabic Service
"I don't think it's surprising we will have to look for them. I'm confident that when the Iraq Survey Group has done its work we will find what's happened to those weapons because he had them."

4 January, 2004, Speech to British forces near Basra, Iraq
"Repressive states are developing weapons that could cause destruction on a massive scale."

11 January 2004 , Interview with BBC Breakfast with Frost
What you can say is that we received that intelligence about Saddam's programmes and about his weapons that we acted on that, it's the case throughout the whole of the conflict.
I remember having conversations with the chief of defence staff and other people were saying well, we think we might have potential WMD find here or there.
Now these things didn't actually come to anything in the end, but I don't know is the answer. And what I do know is that the group of people that are in there now, this Iraq survey group, they produced an interim report."

25 January 2004, Interview with the Observer newspaper
"I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that the intelligence was genuine.
"It is absurd to say in respect of any intelligence that it is infallible, but if you ask me what I believe, I believe the intelligence was correct, and I think in the end we will have an explanation."
 
3 February, 2004, evidence to Commons liaison committee
"What is true about (ex-Iraq Survey Group head) David Kay's evidence, and this is something I have to accept, and is one of the reasons why I think we now need a new inquiry - it is true David Kay is saying we have not found large stockpiles of actual weapons."

6 June, 2004, BBC Radio 4 Today programme
"What we also know is we haven't found them [weapons of mass destruction] in Iraq - now let the survey group complete its work and give us the report... They will not report that there was no threat from Saddam, I don't believe."

6 July, 2004, evidence to Commons Liaison Committee
"I have to accept we haven't found them (WMD) and we may never find them, We don't know what has happened to them. "They could have been removed. They could have been hidden. They could have been destroyed."

14 July, 2004, statement on the Butler report
"We expected, I expected to find actual usable, chemical or biological weapons after we entered Iraq.
"But I have to accept, as the months have passed, it seems increasingly clear that at the time of invasion, Saddam did not have stockpiles of chemical or biological weapons ready to deploy."

28 September, 2004, keynote Labour conference speeech
"The evidence about Saddam having actual biological and chemical weapons, as opposed to the capability to develop them, has turned out to be wrong. I acknowledge that and accept it. I simply point out, such evidence was agreed by the whole international community, not least because Saddam had used such weapons against his own people and neighbouring countries.
"And the problem is, I can apologise for the information that turned out to be wrong, but I can't, sincerely at least, apologise for removing Saddam.
"The world is a better place with Saddam in prison not in power."
"I can apologise for the information being wrong but I can never apologise, sincerely at least, for removing Saddam. The world is a better place with Saddam in prison."

29 September speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme
The prime minister was asked about UN secretary general Kofi Annan's assertion that the war with Iraq was illegal.
"That is his view - it is not our view," Mr Blair said.
"The view we took at the time and we take it now is that the war was justified legally because he [Saddam Hussein] remained in breach of UN resolutions."

Any Prime Minister who deludes his country in such a manner deserves nothing but contempt IMO, irrespective of what else he's done. And I actually DO credit him for atleast focussing a bit of attention on Africa's plight.

[Andúnië]

Any Prime Minister who deludes his country in such a manner deserves nothing but contempt IMO, irrespective of what else he's done.

The point is that he actually believed what he was saying, and made decisions accordingly. Now, if he had known one thing and said another, that would be delusion.

And I actually DO credit him for atleast focussing a bit of attention on Africa's plight.

...Which means he has something right.

[HeruMorna]

Heh, what makes you such a Blair fan?

Any Prime Minister who deludes his country in such a manner deserves nothing but contempt IMO, irrespective of what else he's done.

The point is that he actually believed what he was saying, and made decisions accordingly. Now, if he had known one thing and said another, that would be delusion.

He believed intelligence that was fed to him and was contrary to general reports emanating from Iraq, was generally blinkered and took his country to war based on assurances by Bush. If that isnt deluding your country, then I don't know what is [and don't go Harbinger on my arse and post the dictionary meaning of "Delusion". You know what I mean ]

And I actually DO credit him for atleast focussing a bit of attention on Africa's plight.

...Which means he has something right.

Twas funny though how most of his effort peaked around Live 8 when the environment was high in the public's priority.... and how promised aid figures are not being met.

[Andúnië]

Unfortunately, there are currently few influential, admirable leaders in this world. We just have to make the best of the situations they get us into. I'm not so much supporting Blair as pointing something out. I'd rather my country be led by someone who does nothing specifically right or remarkable than someone who makes several bad mistakes.